So this is a whole book that is a prophet who's commenting on the downfall of the Assyrians, the Assyrian Empire, and the downfall of the city of Nineveh. These verses inspire, encourage, feed the mind, and heal the soul. So I think that can give us a clue as to how the biblical authors themselves understood the significance of (00:17:00) this description of God's character. Okay, we're going to start a new series in Exodus 34. So here it is. So verse 3 says He's slow to anger, but He still gets angry. Speakers in the audio file: Jon Collins, Tim Mackie, Carissa Quinn. Tim:    What's valuable about these, at least 27, but I know there's some more reuses of these verses is you get to actually see how the biblical authors themselves understood it. In Deuteronomy 5, Moses is retelling to the children of the people who rebelled in the wilderness. These verses are the first description of God’s character in the Hebrew Scriptures. It's actually Moses is the one who requests them. Like, "He must be raised in my home and have my values." Carissa:    I was just thinking about that—what quarantine will sound like at that time? He prayed to the Lord and said, “Please Lord, was not this what I said while I was still in my own country? It seems like he would have just left off the second half and just quoted the first. So we'll come back around to that I think by the end of this first conversation. So I'm doing some of that. The recent Phil Robertson Duck Dynasty controversy brought it up again. Therefore in order to forestall this I fled to Tarshish, for I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abundant in loyal love, and one who relents concerning evil.”. The Book of Psalms is the most read book of the Bible (Read What is the Most Popular Book in the Bible? So he goes up, and the whole thing is, the people just said, "We'll accept these vows. Tim points out how Nahum says God is “great in power,” a phrase that highlights God’s authority over the nations who are not covenant partners with him. Where envy is when you want something that you don't have. I know in the Christian tradition, different strands of the tradition—I don't know in Judaism—but the idea of a generational curse, where there can be some kind of divine judgment that lingers over a family so the bad stuff happens to them for generations and so on. "Yet he will not clear the guilty, He will visit the iniquity upon the fathers and the sons and on their sons and their son, like the grandkids to the third and fourth generation. Does such a book exist? I mean, they would peel off people's skin in public, gets public shame and punishment, and put heads on spikes of cities they conquered. Is this another bumper sticker verse from the Bible? Jon:    Well, that's where we conflate it with envy. In our modern use, jealousy has come to mean the same as envy, but qanna' describes the response when someone covenantally connected to you gives their allegiance and wellbeing to someone who will hurt them. But you only get there when you appreciate all that literary design. So should (inaudible- 00:17:05) Some of them are really interesting. We invite you to join us in person each Sunday morning at 9:00 AM or 11:00 AM for Worship. Well, it's a balance of mercy and compassion and patience, but also a very firm sense of justice, and accountability, and recompense. He's done it before." And just like the last thought is the thought I want them...it becomes a central thought. Here on the podcast, of course, is Tim. Anyway. Popular Bible Verses. Those attributes are really lovely. What are the most quoted passages of the Bible? Especially then if you interpret the quality of your life as a form of blessing or judgment. Tim:    They just they come up so much as you read throughout the rest of the Bible. It feels like it ends big punch in there. Or third. That if a nation turns from their evil, then I'll relent. Thanks for joining us. Yahweh, Yahweh, a compassionate God and gracious, slow to anger and abundant of loyal love and faithfulness, keeper of loyal love for thousands, forgiver of iniquity, transgression, and sin, yet he will surely not clear the guilty, visitor of the iniquity of the fathers upon sons and the sons and sons, upon the third and fourth generations. Because what he sees that locusts plague and a famine and he thinks this is all a result of covenant rebellion. Where, as just a Western modern reader, I'm just like, "Whoa." Tim:    Man. But then the second half is about how God's generosity is not licensed for people to go do whatever they want. The most intense forms of divine anger in the Bible are aimed at leaders of people, Israelite or non-Israelite, who abuse their positions of power. He's going to stick by his covenant. I can do everything through him who gives me strength. Jon:    Just because your dad did something bad, why do you have to suffer? God can take care of giants. So 10 of the spies give a report that "hey, the promised land, it's awesome. Carissa:    Yeah, that's the challenging part. Interested in the other 22 references to Exodus 34:6-7 in the Old Testament? These Bible verses are the most popular and most quoted verses according to web search statistics. Did you say the right prayer? I think those are significant takeaways. The scriptures are easy to search and the numerous versions are also very helpful. We're discussing the character of God. Jon:    And that I can adjust to this idea of justice. April 27, 2013 ; RH ; For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. He says, "I'm done with these people. Tim:    Correct. But Carissa, people might not remember you. So you're saying it's kind of like a bait and switch almost. In 2017, the three most popular verses on the site are: It's interesting. One of you should read it. Jon:    Well, it's funny as I just wanted to reclaim the original meaning of jealous was my strategy, and I was voted down. But the question is, are these tensions that God feels within Himself? She does a lot of work for us. But the question is, are these tensions that God feels within Himself? What we'll do then is in the next episode, we'll talk about the narrative context of these verses and situate ourselves in what was going on (00:53:00) in the biblical story. But when the biblical authors heard this, they heard the whole thing as a statement of stability and assurance. You know what I mean? I think there's cultural reasons for that, our cultural setting, for why we start to squirm a little bit. God’s covenant promise is ongoing; God is making a promise about the stability of his character toward all generations. Yahweh can't deliver us from those giants. God is not clearing the guilty, and He's visiting the iniquity on us. This is sarcastic. Carissa, was he still working there when you had classes with him? Jon:    Yeah, actually, Tristen and I had to deal with this as we've written about emotions and this idea of if you look up the way jealousy has been used traditionally, it means like when something that you deserve, or should have is taken from you, then you're jealous. Tim:    But what's underneath it with other gods (00:38:00) isn't just that will because I deserve your praise, not the other gods. #3 Jeremiah 29:11 So it just takes some reflection. But I'm sure because it is a really important...I mean, these verses are super important for understanding who Yahweh is because it's all about God revealing Himself and all His goodness to Moses. "Yahweh, Yahweh, a compassionate God and gracious, slow to anger and abundant of loyal love and faithfulness; keeper of loyal love for thousands, forgiver of iniquity, transgression and sin; yet, he will surely not clear the guilty, visitor of inequity of fathers upon sons and upon the sons of sons, upon the third and fourth generation." But what we wanted to do was actually make a video that introduces people to these verses and where they appear in context, because they are the most requested and cross-referenced verses within the Old Testament. Tim:    I think that's what it means. Tim:    In Jonah? (00:37:00) It's about what I deserve and what I want. Which is intense. He's talking about don't have any other gods before me. Just the fact that He is genuinely relational and interactive? So Numbers 14, this is the story of the rebel spies who go into the land and then come back. Ooh, this is a good one about God's soft spot, Jon. Their own behavior matters for how (00:30:00) God responds to them. But what else does he mean to say, "You won't clear the guilty, so forgive these guilty people?". The first three, like mercy and compassion, make our hearts warm and fuzzy. And he quotes the same words. 4 of the Most Misquoted Bible Verses 1. And the stuff about clearing the guilty is important. It's called the Character of God. Is there any time in the Hebrew Bible where someone intercedes or asks God for something and He doesn't respond with compassion or mercy or lovingkindness? So yeah, that does sound intense if in fact, that's what it means. So Tim teaches through multiple sessions on a topic or we'll have another instructor in and then students will get to interact with questions and hear other students' answers and do some projects and that sort of thing. Jon:    Did you make the right sacrifice? And during that conversation, we will talk about the idea of God being angry. Tim:    Oh, it's not that hard. Tim:    Mm hmm. Tim:    Yeah, it's good. Jon:    Yes. There's not for the most part. Jesus used the psalmists’ words when… He was asked for a sign to show who He is (Ps 78:24, John 6:32-33) Share. Deuteronomy 5:9-10 by Marie Telling. And maybe we can just kind of make some initial observations about it. This collection of Bible verses will inspire and lift your spirits as you seek a joy-filled life in God. Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. Jon:    Hello, Tim. Especially because there's something about our cultural context. Jon:    If we go back to the original story, we haven't talked about the narrative yet, but He's angry. You know how John 3:16, “For God so loved the world that he gave his only son…” is the most quotable verse in the New Testament? We're going to talk about each attribute, and we're going to get to slow to anger. (00:36:00) Also, the word "jealousy" introduces a layer of meaning that's not fully present with kanna. So I've got 27 and I'm pretty sure that I'm missing about half a dozen more that might just be little snippets of one or two other words together. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Jon:    Now, if they're requoting it, why would it be so difficult to find how many times it's done? Tim points out an interesting counterexample in Jeremiah, where God tells Jeremiah not to pray for Israel. #19 of 21 The Most Helpful Bible Verses#11 of 20 The Best Bible Verses About Strength. The Most Famous Verse in the Bible. Today on the show, we're going to dig into these beautiful, important lines in Scripture. What we're going to do is these two verses in Exodus, and we're going to talk about those. Is that the same word for jealous there? That's kind of a side trail on kanna. Joel 2:13 So Carissa, why don't you introduce us...just actually just read these two verses aloud? So when he gets to the first commandments about having no other gods, he inserts a quotation of these lines. "You should not worship or serve them, for I the LORD your God, am I a passionate God." Tim:    So for me, this has forced me to go back in and really understand divine anger in context, which is why we're going to dedicate a whole video to it. Because when you have a righteous intercessor, God listens. World's 10 Most Popular Bible Verses of 2014. Carissa, you're creating in between sessions video of Classroom sessions. The most quoted verse is the second greatest commandment: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Perhaps this verse ought to be on our hearts and minds more often. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Tim:    Yeah, it is. 59m. NIV. Jon:    Oh, yeah. But the sense that they make is the sense when they're first introduced in a story in the book of Exodus. I think jealousy in English for most English speakers has a self-oriented focus. Carissa:    And forgiving. Well, you can probably guess. 9AM Worship Service: The Most Quoted Verse in the Bible. And those will be in subsequent podcast. You guys know the story. It's not actually very different than the passion. So there's justice for when you do wrong. (00:32:00). This is many, many years ago. It's two verses, 6 and 7. Yeah. Like somehow, when we, the three of us, and I'm guessing "we" represent how people in general in our culture might hear this, we see the statement about God having this nice side (00:33:00) and then a more just or stern side. Tim:    I think it could have a more negative selfish meaning or it could have a more positive, other-centered meaning. We feel a tension between God’s mercy and justice, and this tension causes us to ask how God will respond to a covenant people who constantly fail as his partners. This is the first episode in the new series on the Character of God. I think sometimes when we think of iniquity or sin, we think of just doing something bad. The Prophet Nahum does something interesting. Update: 2020-08-17 11. Jonah could do nothing to prevent God from showing compassion toward those who turn to him. And that's your translation in your notes, Tim? So we're talking about Exodus 34, and Tim and I are writing videos on some of the words used to describe God there. The first verse is really wonderful. And then the quotation. Most often in these passages, God’s grace and compassion are emphasized by people who choose to return to him. I don’t want to minimize the differences between Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 (the first and second statements of the 10 commandments), but it’s difficult to exaggerate their similarities. That's a pretty intense. It's usually translated "jealous". Tim:    We see them as these two parts of God's character that we perceive somehow (00:02:00) in tension with one another. Carissa:    Yeah, I was going to say if you're part of the oppressed, then it's good news. The forgotten chapter of the Bible. And I think that's because the biblical authors are putting them out there as genuine tensions. Maybe we should make a word study video about that. Reply. I think that also shows us that we're maybe missing what that second half means if we're reading as a fully negative statement. When an appeal to God’s mercy is made, God almost always responds with mercy. –  Tim:    Oh, this what you were talking about earlier? Tim:    Yeah, ra. Carissa:    That's really interesting. You shall not worship them or serve [other gods]; for I, the Lord your God, am a passionate God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love me and keep my commandments. But I think this seems like a whole heart thing about which God you worship. He's always the same. Though the Bible is a religious text, it is also one of the most read and bought books in the world and has often been quoted in other forms of literature and media, including television, music, and movies. Carissa:    "A jealous and avenging God is the LORD; The LORD is avenging and wrathful. We've talked about this before. You can email us at info@valleygrove.org to begin finding a group! Or, possibly we hear others misquoting verses, they sound right in the moment, so we also begin spreading the misuse without taking the time to study the verse in its author-intended context. Is that the right word for it? The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I guess the balancing act is more important than the final word. Yahweh, Yahweh. Also, with us is Carissa Quinn. (00:07:00). Carissa:    Like there is nothing that Jonah could do to stop this consistency of God. (00:23:00) Because he knows that at his core, that verse 6 describes some kind of baseline. And maybe, Jon, Deuteronomy 5:9. What is your most favorite Bible verse? Tim:    What prompted God to say this about Himself to Moses in the first place? Jon:    Yeah. What's interesting about that is to say that He's great in loyal love, that's a covenant term. Tim:    The first time that it gets requoted in the book of Numbers 14. Bible Gateway. And with every generation and apparently with any people group, He will always operate according to Exodus 34:6-7, so much so that Jonah can throw these words in God's face as an accusation almost. #2 Matthew 6:33. So Deuteronomy 5 actually it's a re-quotation of the Ten Commandments. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. (00:25:00), Tim:    Ooh, this is important. Jon:    You might remember Carissa from a podcast episode maybe even (00:03:00) a year ago, where she walked us through the word "witness" in the Bible for word study that she wrote. So the ten rebel spies get the whole people into a riot, and the people want to actually appoint a new leader, and go back to Egypt. That's not a place you want to go hang out. These two verses illustrate a tension between God’s mercy and justice, but they also provide assurance for the ongoing stability of God’s character. (00:22:00) Now, this is the...hold on. But that's interesting to think about it from that angle, Jon, where from a modern communication standpoint, you end with the thing that you really want to make sure they take away for long term. (00:46:00) So, that usage from Joel gave us people sitting in hardship, but they know that God will be gracious. That's a great observation. And he reserves wrath for his enemies. For many of us—I feel it too—we start to get a little uncomfortable. And God will do that. (00:51:00) I don't have to wonder. Slow to anger, abounding in loyal love This actually a famous first. But for the moment, Carissa, you're just naming this is the moment that Moses is in a cave up on Mount Sinai, and there's a divine storm cloud passing by because Moses asked to see God's glory. The Least Popular Book?) If they believe in divine powers, they relate to divine powers in this way. That's the kind of passion. Jon:    Yeah. I'm not making some special thing for this generation. Tim says the entire context of Exodus 34:6-7 would have been assuring to the people of Israel, who lived in a world where gods were perceived as unpredictable. This is Exodus 34:6-7. The Lord is slow to anger and great in power, And then there's a locust swarm. Jon:    Cool. Jon:    Can I ask you, Tim? This is like a real crisis for a lot of ancient cultures, and some cultures still today that still relate. That's really worth observing. Two of the five attributes that we had previously. Valley Grove is located at 9000 Sevierville Pike, Knoxville, TN 37920. "The Lord won't declare innocent the guilty or he won't leave guilty unpunished.". Jon:    And all those other thoughts like of being faithful and all those things all center in the background. Jon:    So these are coming out in the fall. So God tells him not to pray on behalf of the people. (00:44:00) "But it greatly displeased Jonah and he became angry. It's that I think the values we're trying to give him are the ones that are actually going to help him flourish the best. “I can do all things through him who strengthens me.” – Philippians 4:13 The Lord is slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but He will by no means clear the guilty visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations. You and Tristen? But then they say, "But we also saw huge cities and huge people." Tim:    Yeah, totally. Tim shares a couple of closing conclusions. So the point is as the generations go by, as we go down the line in this long history of relationship, you can count on me being this way. A jealous and avenging God is the Lord; Nahum 1:2-3 This is how it's always going to be. Carissa points out how God promises to be consistent, yet given all of Israel’s rebellion and failure, he seems to more often fall on the side of mercy and compassion. They come up so much as you read throughout the rest of the Bible. No one comes to the Father except through me. One of the important other times kanna is used is that of a husband and a wife, where a husband hears or is suspicious that his wife is sleeping with another man. I think this is why He told Jeremiah not to pray for the people. Nahum is writing (00:50:00) right after the fall of the Assyrian Empire. Whoever Believes In Him Shall Not Perish. Numbers 14:17-19 (00:39:00) And so we have to deal with that.". https://www.ranker.com/list/most-quotable-bible-verses/ranker-bible For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. This is recorded during quarantine. Carissa:    Okay, starting in verse 17. It appears in a prayer of Moses in the book of Numbers after Israel decides not to enter the promised land. Jon:    Well, yeah. Actually, I am only guessing that this is the most famous verse in the Bible. Carissa:    It's really interesting that right before that it says, "Forgiving iniquity." Jon:    And why not the fifth generation? This actually, I think, is hugely significant. But I think we've touched on it. 1hr 2m, –  But I think it at least does a better job than jealousy because it will raise the question of like, "What does that mean?" We're back to that consistency theme, that God doesn't play favorites. We asked some readers of this article to give us some of their most encouraging scriptures that we did not include in our top ten list and we heard the same verses over and over again. But because of that quoting, he's asking that God would forgive the iniquity of the people. So what we're putting our finger on for the moment is that this is the first character description of God. This hasn't happened too much with my kids yet, but I can already start to see as they're in our neighborhood school. So we thought, "Let's make an intro video to a word study series." Tim:    Yeah, I agree. December 09, 2019 9:16 AM The Bible App’s Most Popular Verse of 2019: ‘Do Not Worry’ December 10, 2018 8:00 AM The Top Bible Verses of 2018 Don’t Come from Jesus or Paul And it may be that I didn't grow up as a polytheist. But it's just interesting to pay attention to. Last weekend, I read a helpful book by Eric Bargerhuff titled The Most Misused Verses in the Bible: Surprising Ways God’s Word Is Misunderstood (Bethany House, 2012). In part two (17:15–25:20), Tim brings up the next time Exodus 34:6-7 is referenced in the Hebrew Scriptures. 1. And the question is, is that in fact what it means, that God will visit the consequences of my grandfather's sin but I'll be the one to suffer for it? Lists about the world's largest monotheistic religion, based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, and the 2.4 billion people who follow it. But when we talk about these thousands that get loyal love, we're talking about thousands of generations who stays faithful to the covenant. We make free resources that help you experience the Bible as a unified story that leads to Jesus and we're so grateful to be able to work on this project and so grateful for you who make it possible. What he does is turn up the volume on verse 7 on the intense parts. And you showed, Tim... we really dissected (00:11:00) these two verses in terms of their literary structure. This is the fourth rebellion story in the wilderness of the Book of Numbers. So not Exodus 34. The Hebrew Bible is my area of study. It'll be interesting. He says, "This is why I didn't want to go to the city of Nineveh because I know you have the soft spot for people, no matter who they are to turn to you, and you always forgive them.". But then second, he was the one who told me that it's the most requoted verse of the Old Testament within the Old Testament itself. Return to the Lord your God because He is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger, abounding in loyal love and relenting of doing harm or doing catastrophe.". Here is an analysis of the books in the Old Testament that are most often quoted directly in the New Testament: Psalms (quoted 68 times in the New Testament) Isaiah (55 … So that story we just read from Numbers, God's actually says to the rebels, spies, and to the people who rebelled, he says, "Oh, you don't want to go into the promised land? Yeah, that's right. Then right after that. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness. Carissa:    Sure. Look at the grapes. Tim says it's better to understand the passage as striking a balance. The Ten Commandments appear twice in the Old Testament. Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. They don't say that. It takes the mystery out of it. Without a doubt. It's more just I've sat down a couple of different times, and then I get interrupted or something. Who does God say he is? Jonah flips this over. In other words, when God says in Deuteronomy 5 "visits the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generations of those who hate me," it's clarifying that what we're talking about is if later generations repeat or persist in the covenant rebellion of their ancestors, they're going to get the same consequence. (00:13:00) And it is interesting that this self-revealing of God is portrayed a something new, and that God says explicitly to Moses that even though he's revealed Himself in the past, He hasn't made Himself known by his name, which is exactly what he's doing here. Because I take that for granted maybe. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. It starts with "You shall not worship other gods or serve them." This is from chapter 1. Tim:    Totally. And that kind of makes sense because that's a big part of what they mean and that's a part of the original context of the story that these verses appear in. But then it's also crucially important to remember it's aimed at a king of one of the most oppressive empires of the ancient world. Tim:    Kanna. This list ranks the most quoted Bible verses from both the Old Testament and New Testament. Common Bible Verses Taken Out Of Context Matthew 7:1 | Judge Not, Least You Be Judged Judge not, lest you be judged. He orders Jeremiah not to intercede. Looking at these instances helps us discern how the biblical authors understood the original verses and the character of God. Carissa:    The better part...I'm just kidding. If all of these verses were to enter a popularity contest, which one would win? Our overview video on these two verses is already completed, and it's up on our website, and on our YouTube channel. That's a great observation. And then he adds from verse 7 of Exodus 34. Additional Resources Carissa points out that God said he wouldn’t clear the guilty, yet Moses concludes that God should forgive. If you look through these 27 that I have, and I think there's a few more, the vast majority quote from verse 6, from like the goodie parts that we like. Okay, this is one example of a real quotation, and it's illuminating one, I think. The narrative (00:45:00) doesn't say it, but the implication is because God was gracious and compassionate with him. What is the most important Bible verse? Carissa has been part of our team for a while now. Tim:    Yes, it is. In the book of Joel, he's watching a drought, which causes a famine in the land of Israel. Tim:    Yeah, totally. Now return to the Lord your God, And so I'm jealous. I Can Do All Things. It gives me this picture of like that God knows He's a pushover. But I think like Jeremiah 18, you were talking about Jeremiah earlier, explains the consistency of God. But even in the midst of God's judgment, he knows that God has a soft spot for people who turned to him (00:43:00) in humility. Its frequent citation should cause us to pay attention to what is being said. In this first episode of a new series, Tim, Jon, and Carissa look at the most referenced passages in the Old Testament—a description of God’s character by God himself. But Jon, can you remember back when we first started talking about this and before we took a deep dive into these verses and what they mean, (00:08:00) what your perception was? "The LORD is slow to anger and great in power, and the LORD will by no means leave the guilty unpunished. So big picture, we're going to do five-word studies that are all come from one verse (00:06:00) in the book of Exodus, Exodus 34:6. I want something usually that I don't have and I'm jealous of somebody else. There are more than 31,000 verses in the Bible. He wants to punish kids for the sins of their fathers? But there are two verses in the Hebrew Scriptures that get quoted and adapted more than any other. Carissa:    Maybe like uncontrolled rage or something. In other words, this idea of God being both compassionate and patient, just and visiting iniquity of fathers on the children and so on, that basic idea occurs for the first time in the Ten Commandments of Exodus.

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